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⚡️Every product of the future will be a living system — Ronak Malde, Trajectory.ai

Jun 21, 2026 · 33:58

Ronak Malde, CEO of Trajectory.ai, recounts his journey from building AI coding agents at Windsurf (acquired by Google DeepMind in a deal involving Demis Hassabis and Sergey Brin) to launching a platform for continual learning in enterprise AI. He argues that every future product must be a 'living system' that learns from real-world user interactions, not static models. The episode details Trajectory's technical innovations, including Self-Distillation Policy Optimization (SDPO) for learning from corrections, continuous LoRA for parallel training, and open-sourcing a training stack with SkyRL. It covers partnerships with Harvey and NVIDIA to train NeMoTron 3 Super for legal workflows, improving metrics like issue spotting and citation accuracy while cutting costs. Malde explains data curation strategies that capture nuanced user edits beyond binary signals, and outlines Trajectory's roadmap from AI-native companies like Clay and Decagon to Fortune 500 enterprises. He also reveals that the idea for Trajectory emerged after giving up his acquisition equity to pursue this vision.

Why AI Labs With Unlimited GPUs Still Fail — Anjney Midha, AMP

Jun 18, 2026 · 1:00:37

Anjney Midha, CEO of AMP, argues that AI labs with unlimited GPUs still fail due to misaligned culture and infrastructure waste, proposing a compute grid modeled on independent system operators to pool demand and supply. At Google, 95% node utilization was considered an outage, yet most clusters today don't reach that, with waste compounding at scale. AMP’s grid, starting at scheduling, aims to make FLOPs flow like megawatts, having secured 1.3 gigawatts of demand. Midha explains Anthropic cracked coding because 'luck favors the prepared mind'—their four years of paranoia and scarcity created a culture that OpenAI’s abundance couldn't replicate. He also shares a 14-year mission in end-of-life prediction, arguing AI can reduce the 30% of Medicare/Medicaid spend on end-of-life care. He warns that too much capital too early makes labs fragile because without hardship they fail to define their P0.

Inside xAI: Building Grok Imagine in 3 Months, Videogen vs World Models, and Video Agents— Ethan He

Jun 1, 2026 · 1:44:43

Ethan He, former xAI and NVIDIA Cosmos researcher, explains how xAI built its first image and video models (Grok Imagine 0.9) from zero to one in three months, attributing rapid iteration to small teams with minimal meetings and strong infra that enabled fixing tiny data and training bugs for biggest quality gains. He argues that most improvements in video generation now come from language models and agents rather than diffusion technology, predicting that by end of 2025 video agents will produce production-grade content for ads. He defines world models as real-time, interactive, long-horizon videos, and details challenges like temporal compression, context management, and the high cost of storing and moving video data (e.g., tens of petabytes for a billion videos). Ethan also shares why he left xAI to focus on language model research, believing the next frontier is models that manage their own context length, similar to solutions already being explored in video generation.

⚡️ Competing with ChatGPT and Sierra, building a $10M ARR company — Yasser Elsaid, Founder, Chatbase

May 2, 2026 · 1:00:26

Yasser Elsaid, founder of bootstrapped AI chatbot company Chatbase, discusses how he grew from a side project to $10M ARR in three years, reaching $1M in just 117 days. He explains why he never raised VC, relying instead on product-led growth, self-serve signups, and a content-driven go-to-market strategy. Elsaid shares specific tactics like warm outbound to signed-up users, leveraging LinkedIn virality in early AI days, and now moving toward outcome-based pricing for enterprise customers. He details Chatbase's evolution from a simple RAG chatbot into a 'chief customer officer' that handles support, sales, and onboarding while surfacing business insights from conversations. The episode also covers his transition from Toronto to San Francisco, his hiring philosophy favoring results-oriented engineers, and his daily use of both Claude Code and Codex for development.

The $15B Physical AI Company: Simulation, Autonomy OS, Neural Sim, & 1K Engineers—Applied Intuition

Apr 27, 2026 · 1:14:07

Applied Intuition co-founders Peter Ludwig and Qasar Younis argue that the real bottleneck in physical AI is deploying intelligence onto constrained hardware, not model intelligence itself. Their $15B company builds simulation, operating systems, and AI models for autonomous trucks, mining equipment, and defense systems. Starting as YC-era tooling for robotaxis, they now offer 30+ products across simulation & RL infrastructure, vehicle operating systems, and autonomy models. They compare fragmented vehicle software to pre-Android phones, and their OS enables reliable updates and L4 driverless operations (trucks running in Japan today). Verification uses statistical nines of reliability, and they internally adopt coding agents like Cursor and Claude Code. They hire 1,000 engineers at the hardware-software boundary.

Why Every Agent Needs a Box — Aaron Levie, Box

Mar 5, 2026 · 1:16:58

Aaron Levie, CEO of Box, argues that every AI agent needs a dedicated data repository—a 'box'—to effectively access enterprise content, and that deploying autonomous agents at scale requires new infrastructure for governance, identity, and security. He contrasts the rapid adoption of coding agents, which benefit from full codebase access and technical users, with the slower enterprise rollout where access controls, messy data, and context engineering pose major hurdles. Levie details Box's internal evals showing 15-point jumps in model performance and emphasizes the need for agents to judge when to stop searching. He discusses moving from read-only to read-write agent workflows, the challenge of keeping documentation current, and his hands-on founder approach to steering a 3,000-person public company through the AI transformation.

Dylan Patel Explains the AI War While Cooking | In-Context Cooking

Feb 26, 2026 · 55:13

Dylan Patel, CEO of SemiAnalysis, argues hyperscalers like Google, Amazon, and Meta will sacrifice all profits to build AI infrastructure, spending $180–$200 billion in capex this year alone, because the AI adoption explosion—Claude Code driving 4% of GitHub commits in one month, Anthropic adding $2.5 billion monthly revenue—makes it a Pascal's wager: spend or die. He details how Taiwan's semiconductor geopolitics create endgame scenarios, from a KMT win placating China to full invasion, with TSMC's output critical. Patel explains Nvidia's paranoid founder Jensen Huang is responding to vertical integration threats from hyperscalers by diversifying into chips like CPX and Groq, but warns moats are shallow. The real bottleneck in AI progress? Semiconductors themselves: fabs take years to build, and no one can buy enough GPUs through 2028. He also predicts a massive AI backlash from the public and financial markets, as capital consumption outpaces revenue and labor displacement accelerates.

Claude Code for Finance + The Global Memory Shortage: Doug O'Laughlin, SemiAnalysis

Feb 24, 2026 · 2:07:40

Doug O'Laughlin, SemiAnalysis founder, explains his Claude Code awakening in December 2024: Anthropic's Opus 4.5 one-shotted tasks that used to take 24 hours, leading him to predict Claude Code will write 25–50% of all GitHub code by year-end (already 4% of commits in two weeks). He argues this marks the death of Excel and Bloomberg for analysts—'you can just do things'—but warns of a 'hygiene' crisis as junior analysts lose meta-learning. On the semiconductor side, O'Laughlin details a severe memory squeeze: HBM demand consumes 4× the DRAM capacity, DRAM prices could double again, and CXL is reviving as a workaround. He compares AI infrastructure buildout to the railroad boom (25% of U.S. gross fixed capital investment) and says Microsoft faces an innovator's dilemma—renting GPUs to 'barbarians at the gate' while its own office franchise is disrupted by Claude Code. Google's TPU v7 enjoys a temporary TCO advantage, but Nvidia's supply chain dominance (Jensen doing shots with SK and Samsung) will reassert with Rubin. O'Laughlin also reflects on his 2,800-mile Continental Divide Trail hike as essential self-mastery.

The AI Frontier: from Gemini 3 Deep Think distilling to Flash — Jeff Dean

Feb 12, 2026 · 1:23:31

Jeff Dean, Google's Chief AI Scientist, explains how the company's dual strategy of frontier "Pro" models and distilled "Flash" models, alongside co-designed TPUs and latency-optimization, keeps Gemini at the Pareto frontier. Distillation compresses high-capability large models into smaller, efficient ones, enabling Flash models to exceed earlier Pro generations. He emphasizes energy-based thinking: data movement costs thousands more picojoules than arithmetic, making batching and speculative decoding essential. TPU development requires predicting ML workloads 2–6 years out, often speculatively adding hardware features. Gemini was born after Dean wrote a one-page memo arguing that fragmented model efforts across Google Brain and DeepMind should merge into a single unified multimodal effort. Looking ahead, he predicts personalized models attending to all user data and reasoning speeds of 10,000 tokens/second will transform software engineering.

Artificial Analysis: The Independent LLM Analysis House — with George Cameron and Micah Hill-Smith

Jan 9, 2026 · 1:18:15

Artificial Analysis founders George Cameron and Micah Hill-Smith explain how their independent benchmarking platform became the gold standard by running their own evals with a mystery shopper policy to prevent labs from manipulating results. They launched in January 2024 after building it as a side project in Sydney, going viral after Swyx's retweet. The Intelligence Index V3 synthesizes 10 datasets with 95% confidence intervals, while the Omniscience Index measures hallucination rates from -100 to +100 (Claude models lead). Their GDP Val AA benchmark tests 44 white-collar tasks, and they open-sourced their agentic harness Stirrup. They also introduced an Openness Index scoring models out of 18 points. The episode covers how they make money through enterprise benchmarking subscriptions and custom work, and why the cost of GPT-4-level intelligence has dropped over 100× while total inference spend rises due to reasoning and agentic workflows.

[State of Research Funding] Beyond NSF, Slingshots, Open Frontiers — Andy Konwinski, Laude Institute

Dec 31, 2025 · 22:34

Andy Konwinski, co-founder of Databricks and Perplexity, launches Laude Institute—a dual venture fund and nonprofit to accelerate the path from open research to breakout companies. At NeurIPS, he explains how Laude's Slingshot program funds projects like DSPy, Terminal Bench, and LMArena, and why the NSF's $1B/year for CS is insufficient, needing $10-100B for frontier AI. He argues Chinese labs (Moonshot, DeepSeek) now outpublish US because OpenAI and others stopped sharing; Open Frontiers, a live-streamed conference in SF, aims to unite top open researchers (Yann LeCun, François Chollet, Jan Leike) to reclaim global leadership. The episode also spotlights the emerging 'post-post-training' layer—prompt optimization, context management, RAG—and why research teams with multiple co-founders (like Databricks' eight) are the new gold standard for AI startups.

One Year of MCP — with David Soria Parria and AAIF leads from OpenAI, Goose, Linux Foundation

Dec 28, 2025 · 1:39:19

David Soria Parra, MCP lead at Anthropic, along with Jim Zemlin (Linux Foundation CEO), Nick Cooper (OpenAI), and Brad Howes (Block/Goose), recount the one-year evolution of the Model Context Protocol from a local experiment to the de facto standard for agentic systems, now donated to the new Agentic AI Foundation. They detail four spec releases—from local stdio to remote HTTP streaming, OAuth 2.1 authentication (and enterprise lessons learned), long-running tasks, and MCP Apps (iframes for richer UI)—and explain why internal enterprise adoption is exploding faster than expected, mostly invisible and at massive scale. The group reveals how three competitive AI labs came together to donate protocols and agents to a neutral foundation, how the foundation will balance taste-making (curating meaningful projects) with openness, and their 2025 vision: MCP as the communication layer for asynchronous, long-running agents that discover and install their own tools, unlocking another order of magnitude in AI productivity.

Steve Yegge's Vibe Coding Manifesto: Why Claude Code Isn't It & What Comes After the IDE

Dec 26, 2025 · 37:25

Steve Yegge argues that vibe coding—using multi-agent AI workflows—will replace traditional IDEs by January 1, calling anyone still using an IDE a 'bad engineer.' He claims Claude Code, Cursor, and the 2024 stack are already obsolete, predicting agent orchestration dashboards (like his VC project) will manage fleets of agents. Yegge highlights that senior engineers with 12–15 years of experience are the most resistant, but their productivity will be eclipsed by vibe coders. He warns that merging code becomes a new wall as agents produce 10x more code, citing one company's solution of one engineer per repo. Yegge also notes the chaos inside AI labs (OpenAI, Anthropic, Google) as they scale, and believes open‑source models will approach frontier capability within a year.

After LLMs: Spatial Intelligence and World Models — Fei-Fei Li & Justin Johnson, World Labs

Nov 25, 2025 · 1:00:39

World Labs co-founders Fei-Fei Li and Justin Johnson argue that spatial intelligence is the next frontier beyond LLMs, with their product Marble generating editable 3D worlds from text or images using Gaussian splats. They claim language is a lossy channel for describing the rich 3D/4D world, while spatial intelligence handles everything from picking up a mug to inferring DNA's double helix. Marble already serves gaming, VFX, and film, with precise camera control and real-time rendering on phones and VR headsets. They discuss scaling compute from AlexNet to today's million-fold increase, why world models can 'soak up' modern GPU clusters better than language alone, and the gap between pattern-fitting and causal understanding in physics. Fei-Fei worries more about under-resourced academia than open vs. closed models, advocating for national AI compute clouds and open benchmarks like the BEHAVIOR dataset. Justin notes transformers are natively set models, not sequence models, opening architectural possibilities for new spatial data.

⚡ Inside Google Labs: Building The Gemini Coding Agent — Jed Borovik, Jules + AIE CODE Preview

Nov 10, 2025 · 43:53

Jed Borovik, Product Lead at Google Labs, explains how Google builds Jules, an autonomous coding agent that runs on its own VM for long-running tasks, challenging the assumption that agents should operate locally. He reveals that as Gemini models improved, Jules' scaffolding simplified, shifting from sub-agent patterns and embedding-based RAG to attention-based search. Borovik discusses context window management for sessions lasting up to 30 days with 2 million tokens, and argues that coding agents will increase demand for software engineers (Jevons paradox), not eliminate jobs. He calls for better specification tools beyond chat, such as multimodal input and interactive planning, to move beyond 'vibe coding' toward verifiable, reliable agentic workflows.

⚡️ The State of AI Engineer Hiring: Cheating, AI Adoption,Junior Devs — Vivek Ravisankar, HackerRank

Nov 8, 2025 · 49:05

Vivek Ravisankar, CEO of HackerRank, reveals that while overall tech hiring has flattened year-over-year, AI-specific roles are exploding and companies are reversing their stance on junior hiring because new grads are the true AI natives who embrace tools like Devin and Cursor without hesitation. He details HackerRank's integrity challenges—from leaked questions on Chegg to AI cheating tools like Interview Coder—and their countermeasures: custom-trained plagiarism models with 85-90% precision, DMCA takedowns, and a proctor mode that can shut down unauthorized apps. Rather than fighting AI, HackerRank embeds AI assistants into assessments, shifting from LeetCode-style tasks to real-world code repository challenges. Ravisankar defines the next-gen developer by four attributes: strong software engineering fundamentals, ability to use AI across the entire SDLC, deep knowledge of AI concepts from prompt engineering to fine-tuning, and good taste with business acumen. He predicts a proliferation of developers across all business functions—with roles like 'full-stack marketers' and 'go-to-market engineers'—and notes the irony that the most AI-forward companies like Anthropic explicitly…

⚡ Open Model Pretraining Masterclass — Elie Bakouch, HuggingFace SmolLM 3, FineWeb, FinePDF

Oct 20, 2025 · 1:03:40

Elie Bakouch, Hugging Face's pre-training lead and architect behind SmolLM, presents a five-pillar framework for model training spanning data quality, architecture, information extraction, gradient quality, and stability, while breaking down recent innovations in optimizers, Mixture of Experts, and data rephrasing. He explains that the field of optimizers is moving beyond AdamW with Muon and Shampoo, noting that speed-ups are often exaggerated due to undertuned baselines. He deep-dives into MoE architecture, showing that expert specialization requires load balancing at the global batch level, as demonstrated by Qwen's findings. He discusses the rephrasing revolution, where converting low-quality web data into QA format yields non-random MMLU performance even for small models. Elie also highlights Hugging Face's open science contributions: FinePDF (new PDF dataset), FineWeb-Edu2, and tools like Nanotron, Datahub, and Liteval.

⚡️Mercury: Ultra-Fast Diffusion LLMs — Estefano Ermon, CEO Inception Labs

Aug 4, 2025 · 28:07

Stefano Ermon of Inception Labs explains why diffusion language models like their Mercury Coder can match GPT-4.1 Nano and Claude Haiku in intelligence while delivering 5–10× faster inference at 737–1109 tokens/sec on H100s, built on score-based generative model foundations he pioneered at Stanford. He details the coarse-to-fine generation process that modifies multiple tokens per network evaluation, the required end-to-end training from scratch (no fine-tuning existing LLMs), and how post-training pipelines use specialized DPO for preference alignment. Ermon identifies latency-sensitive applications—voice agents, IDEs, vibe coding—as the killer use case, acknowledges they aren't yet frontier-level but sees a future where diffusion dominates due to efficiency gains, and notes the challenge of open-sourcing given proprietary inference engines and kernels.

AI is Eating Search

Jul 23, 2025 · 56:22

Robert McCloy of Scrunch AI argues that AI is replacing web browsing, not just search, as consumers prefer ChatGPT and similar tools over traditional browsing. He explains that AI search platforms still rely on traditional search under the hood, but re-rank results based on metadata clarity—so clickbait titles fail while descriptive content wins. Prompt injection works currently but is a temporary tactic; the durable strategy is clear, structured content with server-side rendered HTML because AI tools don't execute JavaScript. Scrunch helps brands optimize for platforms like ChatGPT, Perplexity, and Meta AI; customer Clerk saw a 6x traffic increase and 9x conversion lift from AI-referred visitors. Robert predicts the future is about 'agent experience'—optimizing how AI systems interact with your content to serve end users directly.

AI Video Is Eating The World — Olivia and Justine Moore, a16z

Jul 9, 2025 · 49:28

Alessio and Shawn (hosts of Latent Space) talk with a16z partners Justine and Olivia Moore about the explosion of AI-generated video on TikTok, Instagram, and YouTube. The Moores trace how trends moved from Reddit to consumer platforms, with examples like Italian Brainrot, Kim the Gorilla, and fruit-slicing ASMR. They detail their own hands-on creation: Olivia used Veo 3 and MiniMax to make viral clips (gold bar squishing, Tide Pod consumption), spending up to 8 generations per usable video and hitting Veo 3’s $125/month plan limits. They explain monetization paths—creator fund payouts (~$20 per million views), merch (Breadclump sweatshirts), consulting, and licensing to Netflix—and recommend tools like Overlap (clips 30–140 seconds) and ComfyUI for control. The episode closes with prompt theory: AI characters questioning their existence, and a bet that Gen Alpha’s brainrot consumption will reshape long-form content.

Information Theory for Language Models: Jack Morris

Jul 2, 2025 · 1:18:13

Jack Morris, a Cornell PhD student advised by Sasha Rush, discusses his information-theoretic research on language models, including embedding inversion (recovering text from embeddings with 90% accuracy), the universal geometry of embeddings (aligning different models' latent spaces), and measuring model memorization capacity at 3.6 bits per parameter. He argues that paradigm shifts in AI, from AlexNet to instruction tuning, stem not from new architectures but from new datasets, and that the next breakthrough will likely emerge from a novel data source. The conversation also covers the shift from academia to industry, practical advice for grad students on distributed training, and the implications of embedding inversion for privacy and model alignment.

The Shape of Compute (Chris Lattner of Modular)

Jun 13, 2025 · 1:18:18

Chris Lattner of Modular explains how his company is breaking the CUDA monopoly with Mojo and MAX, matching NVIDIA's best inference performance on AMD and NVIDIA GPUs. After three years in R&D, Modular open-sourced its stack and now delivers state-of-the-art Llama 3 serving at over 800 tokens per second. Mojo, a Python-family language, runs kernels faster than Rust and can extend Python without bindings, while MAX provides a full inference framework with automatic kernel fusion and cluster management. Unlike VLLM or SGLang, Modular's container is just a gigabyte, fully open source, and not reliant on proprietary CUDA blobs. DeepSeek's low-level PTX work validated the approach, but Lattner emphasizes that Mojo's portability avoids rewriting kernels for each new GPU architecture. He also details his daily routine, using Cursor for coding, and hiring "elite nerds" to grow the team.

The Utility of Interpretability — Emmanuel Amiesen

Jun 6, 2025 · 1:53:02

Emmanuel Amiesen, lead author of Anthropic's Circuit Tracing paper, presents the newly open-sourced tools that let anyone inspect how language models compute, revealing that models like Gemma 2-2B engage in genuine multi-step reasoning rather than mere pattern matching. Amiesen demonstrates that the model's internal features causally drive outputs—for instance, suppressing the 'Texas' feature in a capital-of-state query changes the answer from Austin to Sacramento. He explains how sparse autoencoders uncover features shared across languages and modalities, and how attribution graphs map feature interactions. The episode covers practical insights: why jailbreaks succeed (the model prioritizes grammatical completion over refusal) and how planning in poetry generation involves deciding a rhyme before the line begins. Amiesen calls for more researchers to explore interpretability, citing the low barrier to entry with open models and tools.

[AIEWF Preview] Gemini in 2025 and Realtime Voice AI

Jun 2, 2025 · 24:29

At Google I/O 2025, Latent Space host Swyx and TWiML's Sam Charrington speak with Logan Kilpatrick, Shrestha Basu Mallick, and Kwindla Hultman Kramer about Gemini's reasoning upgrades, real-time voice AI, and the infrastructure challenges of building production voice agents. Kilpatrick announces thinking budgets and thought summaries for 2.5 Pro, now live in Flash and coming to Pro in June, while Mallick highlights native audio output with multilingual code-switching and proactive voice activity detection. Kramer discusses the need for sub-500ms latency and WebRTC packet routing, and the team debates single-model vs. componentized architectures, with Mallick noting that eventual convergence will bring capabilities like diffusion-based generative UI into the main Gemini model. The episode also covers implicit context caching, URL context for research agents, and the Live API's session length and function calling improvements.

⚡️Multi-Turn RL for Multi-Hour Agents — with Will Brown, Prime Intellect

May 23, 2025 · 38:59

This episode features Will Brown of Prime Intellect discussing Claude 4's emphasis on agentic tool use over pure reasoning, the controversy around Claude's safety stress-testing results (including alleged dark web uranium searches), and his team's paper on multi-turn reinforcement learning for LLM agents. Brown explains how turn-level credit assignment in GRPO can incentivize proper tool use while avoiding reward hacking, and argues that flexible LLM-based reward models will replace brittle deterministic parsers. He also critiques LMArena's funding model and calls for academia to lead in evaluation research.

SF Compute: Commoditizing Compute

Apr 11, 2025 · 1:12:02

Evan Conrad, co-founder of SF Compute, argues that GPUs behave like a real estate business, not a traditional cloud, because price-sensitive customers value every incremental GPU and will switch for a 10% margin. CoreWeave succeeded by selling locked-in long-term contracts to low-credit-risk customers like Microsoft and OpenAI, ignoring short-term demand. He predicts hyperscalers and providers like Together and DigitalOcean will lose money on GPU clusters because software margins cannot match the hardware costs. SF Compute started as an AI lab forced to sublease its cluster monthly to avoid bankruptcy, then evolved into a market where anyone can buy H100s by the hour via dynamic pricing—often below $1/hour for short bursts. Utilization stays near 100% as prices adjust. Future plans include cash-settled futures to reduce financial risk across the industry, while the brand deliberately stays anti-hype and calm.

The #1 SWE-Bench Verified Agent

Apr 2, 2025 · 31:46

Guy Gur-Ari, co-founder of Augment Code, explains how their coding agent achieved the #1 spot on SWE-Bench Verified without fine-tuning, using off-the-shelf models with techniques like sequential thinking, ensembling, and code base understanding. He shares that orientation and memories help the agent learn codebase conventions, and that MCP support allows extensibility. Gur-Ari contrasts Augment's IDE-first approach with competitors like Devin and Factory, emphasizing meeting developers where they are. He also discusses the future of IDEs, the role of custom models, and recommends the SWE-RL paper for reinforcement learning in coding. The episode features a live demo of the agent implementing a feature from a Linear ticket and creating a PR.

Building Manus AI (first ever Manus Meetup)

Mar 27, 2025 · 48:59

Tao Zhang, co-founder of Manus, explains how Manus gives LLMs 'hands' to take real-world actions, inspired by MIT's 'mens et manus' (mind and hand). Manus assigns each task its own cloud virtual machine via E2B, provides pre-paid data APIs (stock, social media), and a knowledge system to remember user preferences. Their previous product, Monica.im, grew to 20M monthly active users and $50M ARR before they pivoted from a failed AI browser project to Manus. On the GAIA benchmark, Manus achieves a per-task cost of ~$2, far cheaper than OpenAI's Deep Research (~$20) and prior SOTA. Zhang emphasizes a 'less structure, more intelligence' philosophy, opting not to predefine workflows but to give the model rich context and tools. He also discusses plans to partner with Cloudflare, pay paywalls on behalf of users, and integrate more APIs based on usage patterns, while ruling out building their own foundation model.

Snipd: The AI Podcast App for Learning — with CEO Kevin Ben-Smith

Mar 14, 2025 · 1:17:46

Snipd CEO Kevin Ben-Smith joins Swyx to explain how the AI-powered podcast app turns passive listening into active learning. Snipd transcribes and diarizes episodes, generates chapters, identifies mentioned books, and summarizes insights on demand — all with a four-person team. Kevin describes moving from self-hosted open-source models (Wave2vec, Pyannote) to a mix of Whisper, OpenAI, Google Gemini, and Perplexity APIs, balancing cost against the need for predictable batch processing vs. real-time user requests. He details technical hurdles like dynamic content resyncing (building a 'Shazam for podcasts') and using LLMs as judges to filter hallucinated book recommendations. The episode also covers Snipd's origin as a hackathon-winning podcast search tool, Swyx's own switch from Overcast, and Kevin's vision for voice-driven post-episode reflection and AI-assisted discovery as the next frontier.

Solve coding, solve AGI [Reflection.ai launch w/ CEO Misha Laskin]

Mar 7, 2025 · 28:12

Misha Laskin of Reflection AI argues that solving autonomous coding is the direct path to AGI, combining reinforcement learning (pioneered by his team on AlphaGo/AlphaZero) with large language models (which they advanced at Google on PaLM, Gemini, ChatGPT). He explains that coding is already ergonomic for LLMs—unlike browser agents that require noisy human mouse data—making it the ideal starting point. Reflection AI is building coding agents that automate backlog tasks (testing, refactoring, migrations, security remediation) for large engineering teams, delivering them via an API that takes a task and codebase and outputs resolved code. Laskin insists superintelligence cannot be built in a vacuum; real-world customer evals are essential, as benchmarks like SWE-bench don't guarantee production reliability. He also stresses the need for open-weight models to prevent a few companies from hoarding superintelligent coding agents.

Gemini 2.0 Flash and Flash Thinking: the new SOTA models for the agentic era

Feb 28, 2025 · 28:21

Logan Kilpatrick, Google AI Studio product lead, returns to discuss Gemini 2.0 Flash and Flash Thinking, the new models that balance frontier capabilities with cost efficiency for the agentic era. He explains the pricing strategy: Flash at 10 cents per million tokens (simplified from tiered pricing), Flash Lite preserving the 7.5-cent narrative for low cost, and Pro pushing the frontier. Flash Thinking, co-led by Noam Shazeer and Jack Rae, scales inference-time compute and already shows rapid improvements, with base model advances coupling with RL-based reasoning. Swyx reports that Gemini Flash outperforms o3-mini on long-context summarization, calling it a 'reporting model.' The multimodal live API enables real-time voice and vision interactions, and a memory layer mimicking Astra is in development. Grounding with Search as a Tool is also highlighted for agentic search use cases.

Why is everyone cloning Deep Research?

Feb 18, 2025 · 1:00:10

In this episode, hosts Alessio and Swyx interview Aarush Selvan and Mukund Sridhar, the lead PM and tech lead for Gemini Deep Research, about how Google created the deep research agent category and the technical decisions behind it. They finetuned a special version of Gemini 1.5 Pro for the feature, which autonomously browses the web for about five minutes to produce a research report. The team built an asynchronous platform to handle long-running tasks and developed an ontology of research behaviors—from broad shallow exploration to deep focus—to evaluate performance. They found that users value the visible browsing process even when it takes minutes, contrary to typical latency norms. The discussion covers iterative planning, trade-offs between model memory and web grounding, and future directions including thinking models, multimodality, and personalization.

The AI Architect: Bret Taylor

Feb 11, 2025 · 1:35:59

Bret Taylor, CEO of Sierra and chairman of OpenAI, recounts engineering AI's future across three eras — rewriting Google Maps' frontend in a weekend (cutting un-gzipped code to 20K), building Sierra's in-house agent platform for consumer brands like Sonos and SiriusXM, and navigating OpenAI's leadership crisis. He argues that AI agents' core abstractions are still pre-React, compares today's agents to jQuery, and predicts that outcome-based pricing will dominate as agents complete jobs rather than assist humans. He urges software engineers to move up the stack toward domain-specific agents and to embrace Rust-like languages for AI-generated code, emphasizing formal verification and safety. Taylor also shares how OpenAI prioritizes mission over product features, and why the relationship with Microsoft remains OpenAI's most important partnership.

Outlasting Noam Shazeer, Crowdsourcing Chai AI w/ 1.4m DAU — with William Beauchamp, Chai Research

Jan 26, 2025 · 1:13:33

William Beauchamp, founder-CEO of Chai AI, explains how he pivoted from algorithmic trading to build a character chatbot platform before Character.ai, growing to 1.4M DAU and $22M+ revenue by crowdsourcing model improvements through Chaiverse. Starting with GPT-J in 2021, he found product-market fit with a therapist bot and shifted to user-generated content, letting users define prompts, images, and names. Competing against well-funded rivals like Character AI and Talkie, Chai ships over 100 LLMs weekly via its developer platform, spending $10M on compute in 2024 and tripling it. Beauchamp argues AI follows an S-curve, not scaling laws, and focuses on inference optimization using rejection sampling and reward models to serve better responses. He prioritizes 'insanely great' products over technology-driven features, noting that audio and image features failed to move metrics, while a data flywheel and aggressive user acquisition drove rapid growth.

Beating Google at Search with Neural PageRank and $5M of H200s — with Will Bryk of Exa.ai

Jan 10, 2025 · 55:54

Will Bryk, CEO of Exa.ai (formerly Metaphor), details building a neural search engine from scratch using link prediction as 'Neural PageRank' — predicting documents rather than keywords. Exa's new product offers near-perfect lists (e.g., 'startups working on hardware in SF') by scaling compute per query, from milliseconds to a day, like o1 for search. Bryk argues LLMs will become the interface to search, while Exa provides the 'super knowledge' that even AGI will need. He contrasts Exa's neural approach with Google's keyword-based system and Perplexity's reliance on Bing. The company recently purchased a $5M H200 cluster and maintains a culture of nap pods and first-principles thinking.

2024 Year in Review: The Big Scaling Debate, the Four Wars of AI, Top Themes and the Rise of Agents

Jan 1, 2025 · 1:51:07

In their 100th episode, hosts Alessio and Swyx recap 2024 in AI, arguing that pre-training scaling has hit a wall—backed by Ilya Sutskever and others at NeurIPS—and that inference-time compute (o1, o3) is the new frontier. They dissect the "four wars": data quality (lawsuits vs. synthetic data), GPU haves vs. have-nots (with the middle class dying), multimodality (Sora, Veo 2, Gemini 2.0's native image output), and the LLM OS/agents stack (LangChain, E2B, memory). Market share shifted from OpenAI's 95% to 50-75% as Anthropic and Gemini gained ground; prices dropped ~3 orders of magnitude for same ELO. The episode predicts 2025 as the year agents finally enter production, driven by models like o1 and tools like Devin, and warns that AI will set the skill floor for roles.

The State of AI Startups in 2024 [LS Live @ NeurIPS]

Dec 21, 2024 · 26:35

Sarah Guo and Pranav Reddy argue that 2024 has become a far friendlier ecosystem for AI startups, with the model landscape shifting from OpenAI's near-monopoly to a competitive field where Google's Gemini now leads LMSys Arena and open-source models like Llama 8B score ten points higher on MMLU than Mistral 7B a year ago. They note that OpenAI's API cost has dropped 80-85% in 18 months, and total OpenAI API share fell from ~90% to ~60% as customers switch. The funding environment is rational, not a bubble, with foundation-model labs raising $30-40B but most startups seeing sane valuations; one portfolio company grew from zero to twenty million in PLG-style spending. Key startup themes include first-wave service automation (Sierra, Decagon, Harvey, EvenUp), better search and new friends (Perplexity, Glean, Character, Replica), and democratized creativity (Midjourney, HeyGen). They argue the 'GPT wrapper' narrative is false—applications capture value—and that incumbents face innovator's dilemma because AI changes business models (outcomes-based pricing) and data needs (reasoning traces rarely saved). The speed of change and new markets (legal, healthcare, defense) structurally favor…

[Paper Club] BERT: Bidirectional Encoder Representations from Transformers

Nov 27, 2024 · 53:12

Eric Ness walks through the BERT paper, explaining how its bidirectional encoder architecture with masked language modeling and next sentence prediction pre-training enabled state-of-the-art results on 11 NLP tasks in 2019. He details the 110M parameter BASE and 340M parameter LARGE models, trained on 2.5B Wikipedia words and 800M book words, and how a simple logistic regression on BERT embeddings achieves 82% accuracy on IMDb sentiment classification, far above the 50% baseline. Swyx and Eric discuss how BERT’s pre-training objectives—masking 15% of tokens and predicting sentence order—teach small models word relationships for efficient classification, though they lose data compared to decoder-only next-token prediction. They note that while scaling laws favor decoder models, BERT-style encoders remain cost-effective for edge deployment, with recent work showing full retraining in 24 hours for under $500 or even 1 hour for $20 on 8 A100s, matching original GLUE scores.

Agents @ Work: Lindy.ai (with live demo!)

Nov 15, 2024 · 1:08:01

Florent Crivello, founder of Lindy.ai, explains how his no-code agent platform evolved from an overly LLM-dependent design to a deterministic 'on rails' system that puts AI in a box, making agents more reliable and easier to use. The product was rebuilt from scratch as Lindy 2.0, featuring step-by-step workflows with structured outputs and memory management that still requires pruning. Crivello reveals that Claude 3.5 Sonnet ended model bottlenecks but warns against over-engineering cognitive architectures, advocating instead for letting models scale. He discusses building their own eval tools (now considering Braintrust), hiring vertical GMs for go-to-market, and the decision to return to in-person work, arguing remote work hampers creativity. He also shares his contrarian views on Europe vs. US tech, testing the Overton window with spicy tweets, and balancing AI safety concerns (10% p(doom)) with building toward a potential utopia.

[Paper Club] Upcycling Large Language Models into Mixture of Experts

Oct 29, 2024 · 39:02

NVIDIA's Ethan He presents Megatron-Core MoE and the upcycling of dense LLMs into Mixture-of-Experts models, showing that upcycling a 15B-param dense model into a 64-expert MoE and training on 1T tokens yields 5% lower validation loss and 4% higher MMLU than continued dense training on the same compute. Key techniques include swapping the router order (softmax-then-top-K instead of top-K-then-softmax) with a 4× output scaling to preserve initial forward pass behavior, and initializing fine-grained MoE routers by duplicating half the weights so each shard group selects identically. A high learning rate matching the original pre-training peak is critical; constant low LR causes catastrophic forgetting. The upcycled model matches the compute of a 1.7× larger dense model per scaling laws, but data quality remains paramount—continued dense training still delivered a 20% MMLU jump. Megatron-Core's fused permutation, GroupedGEMM, and expert parallelism are available as a standalone library.

How NotebookLM Was Made

Oct 25, 2024 · 1:13:57

Raiza Martin (NotebookLM lead PM) and Usama Bin Shafqat (AI engineer) explain how Google's NotebookLM built the viral 'Deep Dive' audio overview feature. They reveal the product evolved from Project Tailwind, using Gemini 1.5's long context and DeepMind speech to create a two-persona dialogue format that transforms documents into engaging podcasts. The team learned from 65,000 Discord members, leaned on best-selling author Steven Johnson for a 'tool for thought' workflow, and prioritized a single format over exposed controls to preserve unpredictability and delight. Humor and tension are not explicitly prompted but emerge from giving personas different angles. Evaulation relied on internal taste ('potatoes for chefs') before formal raters, with a Likert scale on dimensions like entertainment and groundedness. Future plans include multilingual support, API access, real-time chat, and codebase podcasting, while managing non-determinism by accepting occasional bad rolls.

Building AGI in Real Time (OpenAI Dev Day 2024)

Oct 4, 2024 · 2:09:35

OpenAI's DevDay 2024 unveils the Realtime API with WebSocket-based voice and function calling, Vision Finetuning, Prompt Caching, and Model Distillation. Product leads Olivier Godement, Romain Huet, and Michelle Pokrass detail design choices like zero-code caching and WebSockets for human-level latency. Alistair Pullen of Cosine explains how fine-tuning GPT-4o on custom reasoning traces beat o1 on SWE-bench Verified, while Sam Altman and Kevin Weil discuss AGI levels (o1 as level 2 reasoner), the coming agent era (level 3), safety through iterative deployment, and the importance of building for the frontier. The episode also covers moderation policy relaxation, plans for o1 system prompts by year-end, and the competitive admiration for NotebookLM.

The Winds of AI Winter (Q2 Four Wars of the AI Stack Recap)

Aug 2, 2024 · 1:23:36

Swyx and Alessio recap Q2 2024 through their 'Four Wars' framework, arguing that the AI landscape is shifting from frontier model dominance to commoditization and vertical applications. They highlight Claude 3.5 Sonnet overtaking OpenAI on coding benchmarks, Llama 3.1's synthetic data approach enabling 7B models to rival GPT-4, Mistral Large 2's non-commercial license and lost open-source crown, and on-device models like Gemini Nano and Apple Intelligence. The Quality Data Wars see NYT suing OpenAI, Reddit licensing data for $200M+, and synthetic data proving real for math (AlphaProof near IMO gold) and code. The Multimodality War includes ChatGPT Voice Mode delayed, Meta's Chameleon for native fusion, and Google's PaliGemma for PDF extraction. The renamed LLM OS War covers agent protocols, memory databases, and the collapse of model cost by an order of magnitude every four months, pushing startups toward vertical services like Brightwave and Dropzone that sell labor, not tools. The episode ends with a CrowdStrike joke about agent safety.

[LLM Paper Club] Llama 3.1 Paper: The Llama Family of Models

Jul 29, 2024 · 1:23:46

This episode examines Meta's Llama 3.1 paper, detailing the 405B dense model, its scaling laws grounded on the ARC reasoning benchmark rather than perplexity, and the decision to train on 15 trillion tokens. Vibhu explains the training infrastructure: 16,000 H100s over 54 days with 419 interruptions, 78% from GPU hardware failures. Eugene Yan walks through the synthetic data pipeline—using Llama 2 for filtering, stepwise reward models, and Monte Carlo tree search to improve reasoning traces. Hassan shares building LlamaTutor.com with Together API, serving 4,000 visitors and 5,900 requests for about $12. The group also discusses quantization trade-offs (larger models degrade less), inference provider variability (Groq's non-deterministic temperature zero), and compares Llama 405B's performance to GPT-4o and Claude.

The 10,000x Yolo Researcher Metagame — with Yi Tay of Reka

Jul 5, 2024 · 2:18:43

Yi Tay, chief scientist at Reka and former Google Brain architecture co-lead on PaLM 2, recounts his journey from an NTU PhD to co-founding Reka, where a team of just 5 people pre-trained Reka Core on $60M of GPU compute—debating at #7 on the LMsys leaderboard. He explains why he believes the Noam transformer (with SwiGLU, GQA, RoPE) remains the strongest baseline, how encoder-decoder architectures offer 'free sparsity' (a 2× flop-efficiency over decoder-only), and why Chinchilla scaling laws are often misunderstood (training past the optimal compute frontier is routine). He argues that long context will eventually outperform RAG for complex reasoning, and that open-source models like Llama 3 are catching up only because Meta invested in a top-tier training stack, not due to grassroots innovation. The episode also covers his productivity habits (working backwards from a paper title, camping arXiv) and the cultural shock of moving from Singapore academia to Google's impact-driven research environment.

How to train a Million Context LLM — with Mark Huang of Gradient.ai

May 31, 2024 · 1:12:14

Mark Huang of Gradient.ai explains how his team extended Llama 3 to a 1 million token context window using curriculum learning, RingAttention, and EasyContext, achieving near-perfect GPU utilization. They employed theta scaling from the RoPE paper to interpolate positional encodings, trained on carefully curated datasets including SlimPajamas and synthetic data from GPT-4, and validated with benchmarks like Ruler and needle-in-a-haystack. Huang details the trade-offs between full fine-tuning and LoRA adapters, the challenges of pushing to 4M tokens (degradation from floating-point precision limits), and why long context matters for state management across sessions and grounding multimodal inputs. He calls for community collaboration on long-context evaluations and pairwise multimodal datasets.

Why Google failed to make GPT-3 -- with David Luan of Adept

Mar 27, 2024 · 49:27

David Luan, co-founder of Adept and former early OpenAI leader, explains why Google failed to build GPT-3—its 'brain credit marketplace' prevented critical mass—and why Adept builds enterprise AI agents prioritizing reliability over generality. He recounts the GPT-2 demo that helped secure Microsoft's $1B investment and details Adept's goal: an AI teammate that can do anything a human does on a computer, targeting 'nines of reliability' for workflows like dispatching a physical truck. Luan contrasts Adept's vertical integration—training fast multimodal models (Fuyu) for charts and UIs—with pure-play foundation model companies that sell tokens, predicting commoditization. He notes Adept is sold out for Q1 and raised $420M, and explains how an augmentation focus creates a data flywheel from human oversight.

Making Transformers Sing - with Mikey Shulman of Suno

Mar 14, 2024 · 58:58

In this episode of Latent Space, hosts Alessio and Shawn Wang interview Mikey Shulman, CEO of Suno, about making transformers sing. Suno uses transformers to predict audio tokens end-to-end, avoiding baked-in musical knowledge, with a tokenization secret sauce that also includes non-music audio for better vocal realism. Their models are relatively small (far below 175B parameters) due to latency needs, and they prioritize scaling research over brute-force size. Over half of Suno users employ expert mode, tweaking lyrics and style prompts, rather than easy mode. Shulman argues Suno is not the 'Midjourney of music' because music is inherently social and synchronous, unlike images. He demoed live generation, showing control via tokens like [beat drop] and style modifiers, and revealed future plans for collaborative concerts, continuous DJ modes, and personalized models. He also advocates for hiring economists to avoid Goodhart's law pitfalls in ML benchmarks, especially in audio where aesthetics matter most.

The Origin and Future of RLHF: the secret ingredient for ChatGPT - with Nathan Lambert

Jan 11, 2024 · 1:35:27

Dr. Nathan Lambert traces the origin and future of Reinforcement Learning from Human Feedback (RLHF), the secret ingredient behind ChatGPT, explaining how it evolved from robotics and early preference learning to become the core alignment technique for large language models. He details the three-phase process (instruction tuning, preference data collection, RL optimization), noting that RLHF's data costs for LLaMA2 were around $6–8 million, and that synthetic data from GPT-4 is cheaper and often more accurate than human labels. Lambert contrasts DPO with PPO, arguing DPO is simpler but may have lower peak performance. He discusses emerging methods like Constitutional AI, which uses AI-generated critiques based on principles, and highlights the challenge of evaluating RLHF models, noting GPT-4 Turbo's lead over earlier versions. The episode covers open questions about data aggregation, reward model agreement (65–75%), and the need for qualitative model interaction.

The State of Silicon and the GPU Poors - with Dylan Patel of SemiAnalysis

Dec 5, 2023 · 1:07:55

Dylan Patel of SemiAnalysis argues the 'GPU poor vs GPU rich' divide defines AI, with Google's TPU ramp (millions of units) dwarfing others and Nvidia selling over a million H100s this year. He explains that training costs are irrelevant compared to inference costs, and that memory bandwidth is the key bottleneck for LLM inference (e.g., Llama 70B needs ~2.1 TB/s for human reading speed). Patel advises GPU-poor players to focus on on-device innovations like speculative decoding (Medusa), asynchronous training, or fine-tuning for edge use—not on gaming benchmarks or fine-tuning small models. He details why AI hardware startups (Cerebras, Graphcore) bet wrong on on-chip SRAM, while Google’s TPU/Broadcom partnership and Nvidia’s yearly cadence make alternatives tough. He also warns that rebuilding the semiconductor supply chain in the US is unfeasible due to its fragmentation, and that safety through obscurity doesn't work—open innovation is better.

FlashAttention-2: Making Transformers 800% faster AND exact

Aug 3, 2023 · 1:04:06

Tri Dao, creator of FlashAttention and FlashAttention-2, explains how his I/O-aware algorithm makes attention 2x faster by fusing kernels and using online softmax, achieving near-matrix-multiply efficiency. He argues that transformer alternatives like state space models and RNNs (e.g., RWKV) could surpass transformers for long sequences and high-throughput generation, though attention still dominates. Dao discusses the hardware lottery, where NVIDIA's CUDA ecosystem entrenches transformers, and advocates for open-source AI, praising Meta's Llama 2 for shifting enterprise adoption despite its restrictive license. He emphasizes that understanding both algorithms and systems is key to scaling AI, and that academia should pursue risky bets that industry cannot.

Ep 18: Petaflops to the People — with George Hotz of tinycorp

Jun 20, 2023 · 1:23:24

George Hotz of tinycorp argues that a simplified, open-source ML framework (tinygrad) can democratize AI compute and replace NVIDIA, Google, and AMD. Tinygrad uses 25 ops (vs. XLA's 250) and fuses kernels automatically, achieving 2x speed on Qualcomm GPUs over their library. Hotz reports AMD kernel panics fixed after emailing CEO Lisa Su, but laments AMD's open-source as 'dumped on GitHub.' For hardware, tinybox is a six-GPU desktop at 350W per GPU, aiming for 5x better price-performance than NVIDIA H100 for 90% of training. He criticizes OpenAI's secrecy, revealing GPT-4 is an 8-way mixture of 220B models, and cites the Bitter Lesson. He also outlines FLOPcoin using hardware identity to prevent cheating, and his goal of an AI girlfriend as the third company, merging humans via data rather than implants.